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hey dude you there?
[10:06:17 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Yea what's up
[10:06:28 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: I need some help if you're free for like 2 minutes?
[10:06:44 PM] Hussain Moosvi: If it's not over voice sure lol
[10:06:52 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Too much noise in the background right now
[10:06:56 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: nana youre fine
[10:07:06 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: i just wanted to increase my competiteve game knowledge
[10:07:12 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: i want to contribute more
[10:07:20 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: but i feel like i lack a bit in it
[10:07:26 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: so i dont know where to go
[10:07:42 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: and you're pretty experienced so i thought to ask you
[10:07:51 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Sure
[10:07:55 PM] Hussain Moosvi: What do you think you lack?
[10:09:25 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: Alright so the LAN team has asked me to coach their jungler DevilFenix cause hes been playing really bad and has been blaming his team for his mistakes, but like I don't know where to start. I'm a jungle main ever since I started but I still feel like i lack the competitive side of it, warding, when to gank, where to gank, pathing, how to coordinate warding with your team before ganking, how to secure objectives all that.
[10:09:46 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Okay
[10:09:47 PM] Hussain Moosvi: so
[10:09:49 PM] Hussain Moosvi: just in that statement
[10:09:57 PM] Hussain Moosvi: The main issue is that you think there's a "correct" way to play the jungle
[10:10:02 PM] Hussain Moosvi: i.e Correct way to path/ward/etc.
[10:10:03 PM] Hussain Moosvi: That's not true
[10:10:11 PM] Hussain Moosvi: There are some things that transfer over in all scenarios
[10:10:14 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Mostly in 2v1 scenarios
[10:10:28 PM] Hussain Moosvi: But otherwise, you need to spend a day or two to observe multiple games and see what his patterns are
[10:10:47 PM] Hussain Moosvi: by patterns I mean, what paths does he take on champions, is his pathing similar across champions, or specific to individual champions
[10:10:54 PM] Hussain Moosvi: What his backing times/item purchases
[10:11:06 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Usually junglers base depending on their preferred playstyle past the first two backs
[10:11:23 PM] Hussain Moosvi: And once you know his specific patterns you need to figure out how that can work with the patterns that the other players has
[10:11:32 PM] Hussain Moosvi: So, what playstyles does the mid lane shien in
[10:11:34 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Shine in*
[10:11:39 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Passive/aggressive/control etc.
[10:11:48 PM] Hussain Moosvi: That's not dependant on champion pool, that's completely dependant on the way he lanes
[10:12:14 PM] Hussain Moosvi: I've seen froggen play ahri/leblanc and I've seen him play ziggs and he plays the lanes passively in both scenarios, despite the change in optimal playstyles for champions
[10:12:37 PM] Hussain Moosvi: So, now you have your jungler's patterns, your lanes' patterns, now you need to figure out where the correlate and where they digress
[10:12:47 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Maybe a certain lane plays aggressive, jungler plays aggressive, other two lanes play passive
[10:13:06 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Figure out how you can create playmaking across the map from those two aggressive roles, and transfer the passive roles into a support center for those two aggressive roles to succeed
[10:13:19 PM] Hussain Moosvi: ^That's just an example scenario in a team, patterns can be anything
[10:13:22 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Once you know all that
[10:13:32 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Only then can you actually think about proper warding/back timings etc. to optimize it
[10:13:34 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Like
[10:13:41 PM] Hussain Moosvi: If they're telling you to coach one person alone
[10:13:57 PM] Hussain Moosvi: You can't do much in a team scenario past mechanics and pointing out wrong jungle pathing
[10:14:23 PM] Hussain Moosvi: You can't point out the correct jungle pathing or what he should be doing in a team setting because one style that works 80% of the time in a certain scenario won't work in a different setting
[10:14:25 PM] Hussain Moosvi: If that makes sense?
[10:14:41 PM] Hussain Moosvi: That was always the problem with shorter
[10:14:58 PM] Hussain Moosvi: He thought he was being coached individually more than the others/his playstyle was being restricted to what he perceived as his strengths
[10:15:13 PM] Hussain Moosvi: But the reality is, his playstyle on this team had to be control oriented to match the playstyles of the other teams
[10:16:35 PM] Hussain Moosvi: So yea, playwise, you can't just coach one player
[10:16:54 PM] Hussain Moosvi: It's your job to figure out the patterns of all 5 players in their playstyles, and then figure out where those patterns can coordinate well together and where they fall apart
[10:17:11 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Or if you do coach one player, you can point out obvious things he does wrong in soloq and point out mechanical mistakes
[10:17:19 PM] Hussain Moosvi: But you can't improve him from a team setting when working outside a team settings
[10:17:24 PM] Hussain Moosvi: It just doesn't make sense to do that
[10:17:42 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: hmm i understand what you're talking about, i cant coach a single person in a team enviroment
[10:17:46 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Now
[10:17:51 PM] Hussain Moosvi: What you can do is
[10:17:55 PM] Hussain Moosvi: A) Fix his attitude
[10:18:05 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Blaming even when team mates are playing atrociously is useless
[10:18:09 PM] Hussain Moosvi: It's an absolute waste of time
[10:18:17 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Crumbz was playing like trash and never got individually called out by dig
[10:18:35 PM] Hussain Moosvi: How to fix his attitude really depends on his personality, you'll just have to play that by the ear
[10:18:55 PM] Hussain Moosvi: And honestly it's tough for me to advice on what to do because that part mostly comes from experience in working with different personalities and learning how to talk to them
[10:19:08 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Playwise, you need to get him to think and talk about the game outside
[10:19:12 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Sit and have a vocal lesson with him
[10:19:17 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Figure out his honest thoughts on all his team mates
[10:19:23 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Then lure him into thinking about that with playstyles
[10:19:38 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Then once he has an idea in his head (true or not) about what the playstyles of every one of his team mates is
[10:20:11 PM] Hussain Moosvi: You can then get him to figure out how he should be playing the map in his team, and then once all that base work is done you can sit and watch replays and point out mistakes
[10:20:20 PM] Hussain Moosvi: It's important to establish a base and then improve off that base
[10:21:57 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: Yeah I understand, do you think it would be usefull to show him vods of other junglers?
[10:22:48 PM] Hussain Moosvi: ummm
[10:22:53 PM] Hussain Moosvi: only once you two have established a way to play the game
[10:22:59 PM] Hussain Moosvi: A way to play the game in which he shines, but his team also benefits
[10:23:22 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Because you can then do research and figure out what junglers play that style and then watch that along with replays of your own games
[10:34:19 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: alright sounds good, also sorry for late reply was getting food from oven, ill start with watchin replays then of their games. Also is there a website or a vod i can watch that talks about where to ward, when, how, i really want to excel my vision game
[10:34:23 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: sorry if im bugging you btw
[10:34:35 PM] Hussain Moosvi: hmm
[10:34:39 PM] Hussain Moosvi: I learned it by myself
[10:34:40 PM] Hussain Moosvi: tbh
[10:34:47 PM] Hussain Moosvi: And just working with different teams and players and seeing how they like to function
[10:35:01 PM] Hussain Moosvi: Paravine and goldper10 usually have good analytical articles though
[10:35:13 PM] Hussain Moosvi: with interesting statistics and stuff and I read that stuff all the time
[10:37:21 PM] Mohamed Rogue Elemam: I'll be sure to check it out tonight then, if you come across something I can use and read, feel free to send it, and thank you for your help dude. I want to help as much as possible but I need to start with myself first.