Notes

Catrina: guiding questions 1 right to do?
Allison: choose what they do, control own actions, take responsibility, right to act ethically/not ethically
Patrick: where?
Allison: SaE not ethical to shoot elephant
Matan: agree, right to own morality, peer pressure affect decisions
Devran: yes,+on officer want not shoot, peer pressure gave in "put me legally in the right... soley fool"
Josie: good point. 15p "war is not murder" PoW choice to do what want. moral by society or self
Mia: ->. choice affect on not just what you see "dehumanizing language"
Matan: dis, not want but peer pressure... believe how we feel about what we did
Anabelle: "American soldiers are trained to ... easier to kill enemy than Iraqi" PoW. feel after is choice
Matan: [nods]
Allision: question done, what is right to do (question 2)
Josie: big conclusion. right is not best. right to not make if situation. Orwell: right to shoot but not moral. Lakoff: moral not dehumanize. right to do so its okay
Matan: which ones right? moral or logic
James: moral. end up shooting, guilt... last 3 or so p "not want to shoot (grass)... seem like murder" not want to shoot "shot after shot down throat...went away" don't do moral, guilt in end, best choice, not good feel
Patrick: "yeah same thing i agree with you." authors show right decision is not the morally right one. Lakoff: "same language create pscyo between" right to win war not moral
Devran: also in PoW, soliders taken on other side, need to do to do duty, after PTSD not moral
Matan: that's the question, not answering
Josie: devil's advocate, moral seems right, logic goes against. question 3. Go for logic or moral?
Anabelle: situatory of what is right. would benefit either sides or one side elephant. choice would benefit anyone, for personal reasons
Devran: rlly no right answer moral/logic right both have consequences, never one outweigh other in all situations
Catrina: agree about dependence, Lakoff believes moral
Alayna: believe difference form person to person, values different
Matan: pushing it, arguably, impossible to be wrong. ethic correct, moral wrong. all justifiable. ethically wrong to kill chicken: food or life
Josie: logic is neither moral nor nonmoral. always logic?
Patrick: same. 2 logical decide values
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James: b4 essential finish g? 3 what get in way of doing right
Josie: ppl do what they think is right whether moral or not
Patrick: "i kinda.. disagree with that" .."i knew with perfect certainty that i ought not shoot him" has right believe not shoot
Matan: last line PoW "Abu gharib" all wrong
Josie: ur saying moral decision not shoot elephant* but went against elephant? at end correct thing to do end of paragraph. Even not moral, correct thing
Patrick: nod*
Alayna: elephant description. empathize with elephant
Catrina: b4 go, what is right and what is wrong
Matan: make a list???
Catrina: general idea
Matan: not kill,... same for people and animals
Anabelle: harm physically is not good
Devran: not allowed to do something thats not given permission to you by what is being affected. boundaries
Matan: ethical based on why, is it justified
Josie: justified is a strong word "? about war justify" PoW tell things to make ez kill. some situations time with okay with people doing morally wrong things because of situations. not justifies dehumanization, acknowledge reason why do but not justified
Alayna: agree. reason for why they think is right, so wrong Orwell for own benefit Lakoff by government
Josie: dehu by right?
Alayna: right
Devran: more obligated to defend country than kill others. war be solved peacefully before war
Catrina: agree Josie and alayna "honorable"
Matan: justifing is relative. US gov/mil believe, dif for each person along lines of basic morals context of US what is justifiable. kill not
Josie: b4 that, back to essential question? do right even if know right. Lakoff not whats ethical but its okay to not choose?
Mia: dis. about not ethical choice. option but not right. know different between having and taking
Josie: choose what bad and should choose ethical
Mia: yeah
Devran: example: rosa parks. not right, but right thing to do everyone equal
Josie: James back to essential do people do ethical
James: hard time SaE bc no like humiliation "fool". moral was not shoot, he did, not bc fool threat. no roadblacks, would it be easy
Matan: clarify
James: humiliations is makes choice that goes with life naturally make ethical
Matan: raised by good people, raised well to choose right thing
Devran: go back to question control job to keep constitutional rights and human rights