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Gamification Expert Sophia Burrell Explores the Power of Storytelling and Engagement
Gamification Expert Sophia Burrell Explores the Power of Storytelling and Engagement


In this participating episode of "Conversations with Joshua T Berglan," host Joshua Berglan interviews special visitor Sophia Burrell, a multi-talented skilled with a background in psychology and expertise in the area of gamification. Sophia shares her fascinating journey and insights on how she creates customized board video games centered around an individual, model, or enterprise, helping them join with their viewers on a deeper level.



Together, Sophia and Joshua dive deep into matters such as mindset, legacy, the facility of media, and the importance of gratitude. Their insightful dialog highlights the potential for private development and optimistic change via the power of storytelling and gamification. Viewers will be left impressed to explore new methods of participating with their audience and leaving a meaningful legacy.

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Sophia Burrell

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Transcript

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Sophia Burrell: Okay. Yes.

Joshua Berglan: okay, Sophia Burrell, you are Inspiring to me. And I simply want to tell you that.

Sophia Burrell: Okay, thanks.

Joshua Berglan: when I got your email on LinkedIn, I appeared over it and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: And Even though, I didn't perceive everything that you had been doing. I simply had this strong feeling that you have been doing something.

Sophia Burrell: Okay.

Joshua Berglan: So I went digging. and the extra I've discovered about you, the extra I am humbled to speak to you. welcome to conversations with Joshua,…

Sophia Burrell: Thank…

Joshua Berglan: T-barg one.

Joshua Berglan: I am blessed to have you ever right here.

Sophia Burrell: Thank you.

Sophia Burrell: I'm good to satisfy you.

Joshua Berglan: Where are you at proper now? Because you do enterprise everywhere in the world but you are an East coast now too. You're?

Sophia Burrell: I'm in Queens At the moment. I recently transfer from Long Island So I'm in Queens proper now making an attempt to I'm gonna be transitioning.

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: So that is my transition section. So I'm right here briefly in Queens. New York.

Joshua Berglan: No and the place you're going again.

Sophia Burrell: I originally lived in Long Island, are you conversant in New York?

Joshua Berglan: Okay. I am,…

Joshua Berglan: I Love New York.

Sophia Burrell: Okay, I lived in Long Island. And I know I mean Queens quickly however I'm pondering of upstate New York or…

Joshua Berglan: Okay.

Sophia Burrell: Connecticut. Because I am not really a metropolis person.

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: I do not actually like New York City, I hate the crowd I hate apartment residing. Let's put it that means, the place there's someone above you under,…

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: you left, and right of It's not something that I like so much. So I'm transitioning to both connect to chop or upstate.

Joshua Berglan: Connecticut is gorgeous too, so It is when I was in healthcare,…

Sophia Burrell: Yes, I know. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: the business that we bought out to, we offered our household business, to an enormous nationwide company, they usually were guess primarily based in Connecticut.

Sophia Burrell: Okay.

Joshua Berglan: So I got to go up there for the first time and…

Sophia Burrell: Okay. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: What an unreal place. So I mean, it's beautiful But there was additionally a component to it that I felt like I was 20 years back in time, and…

Sophia Burrell: Mm- Okay.

Joshua Berglan: then there was some areas the place I felt like I was 200 years again in time so the Northeast is a really attention-grabbing part of the United States but

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. Im No, I was thinking of staying nearer to the city which is Fairfield County So I don't need to go anyplace beyond that.

Joshua Berglan: Mm- Okay. Okay. …

Sophia Burrell: So yeah.

Joshua Berglan: you have an accent.

Sophia Burrell: I'm initially from Jamaica. I got here to the US three months after 9-11,…

Joshua Berglan: okay.

Sophia Burrell: believe it or not. Yes.

Joshua Berglan: Okay, I'm gonna query then. that's fascinating, I did not know that about What was that coming to America at that time because that point for anyone who lived in America was, they might probably look back and say, that is when everything changed. But coming to America,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: At that point. What was that like for you?

Sophia Burrell: It's not one thing that I think about really because it relates to September 11 because it by no means really affected me right here or…

Joshua Berglan: Sure.

Sophia Burrell: there to be trustworthy with you because I am from another place. I…

Joshua Berglan: Sure.

Sophia Burrell: I wasn't American and so it affected me in one other way. So, I imply, I got here to the US and New York specifically and I just hit the ground operating. I would go to Wall Street area, looking for work and all around the metropolis and it did not have an result on me, really? To be trustworthy with you, That. But I did perceive the magnitude of…

Joshua Berglan: No, that is

Sophia Burrell: what had occurred.

Joshua Berglan: From what I perceive about it. I've been to primarily Jamaican areas like in Costa Rica but not actually Jamaica. And so I've heard you…

Sophia Burrell: I see.

Joshua Berglan: completely different stereotypes. I mean I've seen pictures of Jamaica which are completely lovely however then you hear of some of the violence and different issues that happens drug trade.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: Is that? What growing up like and once more, I don't know should you grew up across the violence. I don't know any of that stuff. But if you come from a spot like that,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: that has that type of status or stereotype to it, being from there, how does that make you feel?

Sophia Burrell:

Sophia Burrell: I mean it doesn't make me feel any means totally different. I imply it is not just like the violence was right in my yard or something,

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: So I was having a dialog with someone a few days in the past And I bear in mind in Jamaica, I attended highschool. I was an athlete. I was the quickest woman a girl in my faculty and every morning we needed to meet at the National Stadium for coaching. And I would depart the home at 5 am within the mornings. Throughout high school. And it dawn on me, I think earlier this 12 months, that it was so dangerous for me to do this, but I just by no means thought of it that method. Because every morning must meet at the stadium at six o'clock and…

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Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: must depart the house at 5:00. Walk to the bus stop. And take that bus, I do not know, possibly about half-hour drive and meet the group there. And so, In the violence wasn't necessarily in my backyard. Because I imply, I did that throughout high school and I wasn't in peril or anything. I survived it.

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I am. And that is interesting as a outcome of I've heard pretty much the same thing from different people who come from locations with stereotypical tons of violence, and crime and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: gangs, and I've heard the same thing. And then in my own experience and I've lived in primarily massive cities, and I've been surrounded by craziness and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: violence, and poverty, and…

Sophia Burrell: Right. Right.

Joshua Berglan: homelessness and drug use and all the stuff that comes with Living in a significant city. But if you're there, you are simply residing and What?

Sophia Burrell: Yeah, you simply residing and my thoughts there are neighborhoods which might be famous for being, there areas…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: where there are violence but I didn't reside in those neighborhoods. So, you…

Joshua Berglan: Or grasp out there.

Sophia Burrell: I did not experience it right now,…

Sophia Burrell: be up what? I'm sorry.

Joshua Berglan: I said We're hanging on the market,…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah. I got it. So with your background in psychology, And, of course, the gamification of life that you simply give you. And Is just so neat,…

Sophia Burrell: No, I by no means did. So

Sophia Burrell: yeah.

Joshua Berglan: but what led you into the sector of psychology?

Sophia Burrell:

Sophia Burrell: I'm undecided there's something about studying about human habits and how the you're thinking affects your habits and all that type of stuff. I don't know. I was at all times fascinated by it and I did really well. I mean there's one thing that I'm always a little Nervous about sharing is not. I did my grasp's online. University of Phoenix and so I don't know. For some reason, there's a little stigma to that but I did my psychology diploma online and…

Joshua Berglan: Really.

Sophia Burrell: did very well. I got a really excessive GPA I suppose as a outcome of I was so interested in All the subjects of psychology. I don't know. I loved it. And so,…

Joshua Berglan: I was.

Sophia Burrell: yeah. Go ahead.

Joshua Berglan: I was drawn to it, always too, and I couldn't explain why. I didn't even enjoy reading. I don't take pleasure in studying that much. But when it comes to issues about…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: how our mind works, how I was drawn to,…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: criminals and psychopaths, and serial killers, and never that I needed to be one. nevertheless it,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: but in some way, Because I went via my own trauma and, abuse and other issues. And I do not want to go into my story now.

Joshua Berglan: But I noticed a lot of things rising up that have been darkish and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: evil and conflicting with additionally rising up within the church, it was,…

Sophia Burrell: Right.

Joshua Berglan: I was immersed in the world of excellent and evil and the evil facet of issues seem more fascinating to me as a end result of the great,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: the good appears so unreachable. So, for…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I was relating extra to the darkish facet again. Not that I wanted to go. Anyone. but how that mind labored and everything from sex addiction to violence to so on and it's fascinating as a outcome of it nearly

Joshua Berglan: We are so fragile as humans yet. At the identical time, we're anticipated and even To have all of this strength and figuring out in their id. But yet everything that we appear to come across in this life in this world,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: Seems to be an assault on our id, to keep us from knowing who we really are. Am I actually far off here or…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. No.

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Joshua Berglan: straight someplace shut.

Sophia Burrell: And, I was listening to a podcast, some weeks in the past and the particular person said, Psychology is a gentle science. As if it's not necessary or it was like on the mind within the significance of what psychology is. And I felt insulted that he stated that, it could be delicate science. I imply I guess to a level but I mean psychology effects every thing.

Joshua Berglan: Everything.

Sophia Burrell: Doesn't it? Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I'm at this place now where I consider that our thoughts, I shifted my belief about plenty of issues about a yr in the past and I began to Kind of come to this place the place the Garden of Eden tennis Okay. The Garden of Eden.

Joshua Berglan: Seems to me to be the mind. and…

Sophia Burrell: Okay.

Joshua Berglan: that could be far off and that I might go off on a tangent on this. But there seems to be this warfare on our thoughts, your vision tv programming. when we get into this kind of stuff, and I'm really into mind management. And I've read a lot of books on this.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah, my games. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: And I'm tying our exterior stimuli. All of the different programming.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: All of the totally different entertainment are multi-screen leisure. It's on each attainable system that we can get some kind of content material to fill our minds with. And what do we choose to do that?

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: And so it seems like we are programming ourselves, and I'm starting to work this belief that lots of these books and films and different issues from the past years previous that were showing us a future. it is almost like we by watching these items and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: talking about it or manifesting these realities that Hum from our tv. Is it,…

Sophia Burrell: So humorous.

Joshua Berglan: what do you concentrate on that?

Sophia Burrell: Yeah, it is so humorous. You should say that because I was watching the History Channel some weeks in the past. And this fascination that Americans have with breakfast being egg and bacon. that was someone's a advertising.

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Sophia Burrell: Tactic some a few years ago. what that was marketing and…

Joshua Berglan: That's true.

Sophia Burrell: people just bought into it and it's a pure thing for people now however it was a marketing ploy. I don't know, I don't remember what decade however maybe in the 1900 someplace however I mean, the way that advertising worked, we now don't even realize that there was somebody's concept. Of us,…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah, it's loopy.

Sophia Burrell: it's crazy, isn't it?

Joshua Berglan: And then I mean I would think of boot campaigns

Sophia Burrell: That wasn't much. I suppose it was a advertising ploy to sell extra eggs or one thing like that. I do not quite bear in mind but it was a marketing ploy.

Joshua Berglan: I bear in mind Pork, the opposite white meat that marketing campaign when that came out. I imply,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: yeah, you are right. There's one thing to that. I mean, they've carried out it with cigarettes. I mean,…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: So okay. why you got into psychology and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: But the gamification.

Sophia Burrell: Mm-hmm

Joshua Berglan: So I interviewed someone and the timing of this is so interesting as a result of just final week, I interviewed, someone an amazing girl, her identify is Ashton and what she does is she goes into move into enterprise meetings, and it might work with school too, but she just gets sharpies and markers and she's drawing and sketching throughout this assembly and what she creates for the folks that are part of this meeting is this visible illustration of that assembly that for some cause, these pictures that she draws helps everyone in that Get the complete advantage of what that assembly was imagined to be out and…

Sophia Burrell: wow.

Joshua Berglan: it somehow brings them all collectively. And I thought, this is really interesting. And I didn't understand any of it ly, and I still do not totally understand it.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: But what you're doing? Is like to me and I'm not placing down what Ashton does. It all? Because I love Ashton. It's actually considered one of my favourite people on the planet now. however you take, But type of what that's, however you're doing something far. Almost. It feels deeper and it feels like this course of and also you right me if I'm incorrect as a outcome of I haven't read any research or research, nevertheless it looks like by these customized board games that are centered across the individual, the brand, the id, the enterprise, it is serving to, then get into the subconscious of who's playing their sport. Okay, explain…

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Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: what you do now for the viewers. So I do not, however

Sophia Burrell: So I am fascinated with this gamification course of and it started accidentally truly in 2018. my door, I was struggling in my enterprise and my eldest thought of me making a enterprise kit for my business. now, we went on-line and have a look at examples, but none of them seem to Fit what I was doing. But we had been brainstorming all morning and what to do and, my model is the Victory acronym. I'm not sure you are conscious of that. So my brand is a victory acronym. And we were making an attempt to find out how we will create a enterprise package around this acronym. and a board sport idea got here out of that brainstorming session with my daughter.

Joshua Berglan: Wow.

Sophia Burrell: And I created Conferences At first, it was known as Victory Trail Game. Utilizing all the traits inside the acronym, so I'm not sure…

Joshua Berglan: Mmm.

Sophia Burrell: if you understand that, So I use the phrase victory as an acronym the place each letter represents an everlasting high quality or attribute that essential to victory. And so, that was what my first sport was about these seven attributes. And so I put C represents confidence. And that was in the center of the game. So that was my first game and I used to enter faculty, I was in Long Island on the time and I would go to Suffolk County and send Joseph's college and have Display the game and get their suggestions. And so my love of gamification started based mostly on that. earlier this year, I was hanging out so much with them. It's a good friend of mine here. He owns a plumbing company in Harlem. And I thought of

Sophia Burrell: He has been good to me, And I considered doing one thing for him in as a payback principally and that created a game for him however simply the game relies on his business. What he does. So there are 4 areas that individuals name them about all the time. Overflowing toilet overflow, sewer, overflow kitchen sink overflow, and no heat. And I created a recreation based mostly on those four. Services. And that was the place. Building board video games for others happened.

Joshua Berglan: So, you constructed the game type. Does he promote the sport to his customers?

Sophia Burrell: No. No,…

Joshua Berglan: How does that work?

Sophia Burrell: the game was supposed to be for his employees as a outcome of there are some lower stage employees…

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: who need to know the basics of plumbing. And so the sport was very in-depth. It's not just for fun. The sport was a studying tool as well, but I did a deep dive into plumbing to create that recreation. so for any of his staff are enjoying the sport, they're learning something about tips on how to do. Certain fundamental stuff employment.

Joshua Berglan: So okay, so if I was a broadcaster, What type of recreation would you create for a broadcaster or…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: am I making a reward of secrets by asking this question? Okay.

Sophia Burrell: No, of course So I imply a broadcaster. So what we attempt to do in our game improvement, is to use the company's story, and their model message and weave that into the narrative of the sport. So I would have to know the story of this broadcaster.

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: I must know what their brand message is. and that is the premise of constructing a narrative within the recreation.

Joshua Berglan: So what kind of like obviously that is efficient since you're working in Africa, the UK Australia, the United States, I miss…

Sophia Burrell: Let me correct you there,…

Joshua Berglan: Europe.

Sophia Burrell: is that? okay, so I construct the sport for someone in the UK, But I'm the reason…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: why I mentioned Australia and Africa is as a result of I'm trademarked in a lot of nations. So, it is not that I really worked there or…

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Joshua Berglan: Okay.

Sophia Burrell: it is not that. I constructed some sport for someone there, but I'm trademarked all around the world. and it is the concept. And the reason why I did that also is as a end result of I'm interested working in those areas. I'm excited about working in these international locations, so a trademark my stuff there. So, when I get there, there isn't any confusion, That's what she does and I'm not intervening in different folks's. Brand. So, I secured my spot in some international locations and I don't truly work there.

Joshua Berglan: Fair enough. But it is too okay. Then either method that actually I'm extra impressed by that you've got the foresight within the belief and the vision to know that you're going to be doing business there. So you ready I love that now good.

Sophia Burrell: M- which is why it was fascinating. When I build this recreation for Guy in London, I really felt Somewhat snug as a end result of I'm trademark there. My book is in the library's there.

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: So I feel it's like, I truly have all that's those issues set up there way earlier than, I visited The place.

Joshua Berglan: What, I'm the world's mayor and…

Sophia Burrell:

Joshua Berglan: I haven't been everywhere in the world yet and I'm not officially the world's mayor yet, but I own the domain. And however I even have a global imaginative and prescient. I have a coronary heart for group And this nickname…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: how I took place, it don't need to go into the story, however I have a world imaginative and prescient that I am obsessive about in most of the place my imaginative and prescient takes place. I have by no means seen an image of aside from a photograph. I mean I've seen photos of it however never been I even have associates and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: people who I know from there, these locations throughout Africa is certainly one of them including South Africa. Since I was a baby, I've had these dreams.

Joshua Berglan: Of working there and…

Sophia Burrell: Right. Yes,…

Joshua Berglan: serving there. and…

Sophia Burrell: me too.

Joshua Berglan: I'm and…

Joshua Berglan: I've been obsessed with that. My complete life haven't been there but. But once more, my mindset my objectives, and how I wish to impression the world. it is fitting of that nickname. So it's like I'm just gonna step into that suit each time the Creator allows it to occur,…

Sophia Burrell: Mm- Yes.

Sophia Burrell: Yes. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: but every little thing I do is to move in the direction of that goal.

Sophia Burrell: Mm- Yeah. Yes.

Joshua Berglan: Let me ask you this, what kind of mindset for you as a your psychiatrist? Correct. It's

Sophia Burrell: I'm not a psychiatrist. I even have a grasp's Insideology.

Joshua Berglan: That's okay. I wished to thanks for clarifying. I'm attempting to go off of every little thing. I remember from reading and I haven't got notes with me so I'm going off reminiscence.

Sophia Burrell: Okay. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: But that sort of background. What is your mindset? when you could have this massive objective in this massive dream however you are not there yet. What retains you going? Every day pursuing that aim.

Sophia Burrell: what retains me going is, from, for a couple of years I've always stated, as a matter of reality, I stated this in high school And I bear in mind writing it down in one of many again of my book. Before I die, I want the world to know who Sophia Burrell was. And hear,…

Joshua Berglan: Why?

Sophia Burrell: I don't know why I mentioned it at the time. But that was simply one thing inside me. And since I realized that I've been living my life chasing this That statement earlier than I die.

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: I want individuals to know who I am. I don't need to be. this obscure determine that no person knows about, And I think that was what drove me additionally to trademark in all of the countries that I even have. Because my books because let you know what, I did, So drew the pandemic. What I did was I ordered 20 copies of my guide. And I mailed it to libraries in, I do not know, possibly in Five Libraries in Africa. In the UK and a few locations within the Caribbean. And I suppose that is so, okay, I'm gonna give you the story.

Joshua Berglan: What a fantastic thought.

Sophia Burrell: The first time so was so, I went to Europe in March, right? And my flight.

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

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Sophia Burrell: I was going straight to Paris my enterprise associate lives in Paris. And so I had a connecting flight in London. But because Paris had a strike, the flights were canceled between London and Paris, and so I had to keep over in London for the night. So I'm walking round on the lookout for an affordable place to stay here and I maintain passing this library, which it was close to, the Victoria coach station. And I had one copy of my book. And I stated,…

Joshua Berglan: Okay.

Sophia Burrell: You know what? I'm gonna go in there. So I know, I went to guide the room first, put my stuff down, after which I went back to the library and advised them that I asked the guy who was at the front desk. I stated is it potential to have put my e-book on the catalog that you have here? He was giving me a narrative, some excuses about. The Library of Congress and all that stuff. And I said, okay, and I was truly figuring out. When I keep in mind that I did mail some books to London. went again to him and I said, I did mail some books to some libraries in London. Could you just verify when you have it on your catalog already? And he checked. And my guide. Is in the library system in London.

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: I was so shocked as a end result of I imply I simply did this actually you…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: sending my books. I just went online to search out some library addresses and mail my book with a observe on it they usually put my e-book on their catalog. So, I assume having that mindset from that time. Is what drove me for is driving me to do this stuff as a end result of I don't want to cross and no person knows who Sophia Burrell was. So I'm always say to my children. if I die today. my books will nonetheless be within the libraries. and years from now, folks will still be, reading my e-book

Joshua Berglan: I'm gonna ask you a private question. Because I have the same desire,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I would phrase it in one other way.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: My words would sound different but it means the same precise factor.

Joshua Berglan: And I say till I need to be well-known, however well-known for the best causes not well-known as I was an actor. I wish to be well-known for the work that I do for other individuals and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I assist folks And that is the legacy that I need to go away, but I want to be well-known for making different folks. Famous, that's…

Sophia Burrell: as a matter of reality,…

Joshua Berglan: what I need.

Sophia Burrell: yeah, you utilize that phrase, sorry that I at all times use as nicely, I suppose having This vision. it's about leaving a legacy and…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: you just use that phrase. it's really about legacy. It's not me desirous to be well-known.

Joshua Berglan: And when I say famous again, it's not from an ego place. It's for the Famous individuals have wasted an opportunity to take action a lot damn good on the earth. And they have power powers extra essential than money…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: as a outcome of energy provides you influence.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: When you have power, you'll be able to walk into a room and you might make issues occur. And I am bored with watching individuals endure.

Sophia Burrell: Nothing. Yes.

Joshua Berglan: I am tired of watching voices being drowned out by a corporate media with an agenda. There is no room for fact in this world,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: or at least. That's what people think. Therefore, they silence themselves.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: Or some individuals don't even know the means to use their voice and so they're intimidated to make use of their voice because of what happens to them after they speak the truth. And I drives me nuts and I want to be part of that change. considered one of my objectives in life is to be part of it. I know I can't do it alone, but I want to be one of many

Joshua Berglan: Influential fact, that one of many influences behind shattering, the power that lies within the palms of a few of the media,…

Sophia Burrell: Yes. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I want to shatter into tens of millions of people of pieces to give the facility to hundreds of thousands of individuals and unfold it out as a outcome of that method other individuals could have an opportunity to get their voices heard. And the reality,…

Sophia Burrell: Right.

Joshua Berglan: although there will be room for truth. And I don't consider that we are able to heal this battle between races and religions and every little thing else. So we have the absolute truth and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: we don't have that right now.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah, I agree. one has to surprise, why is it that when folks come into money they maintain on to it. So tightly where they might never help. A neighborhood or help one other individual or typically surprise and I know have a glance at Jeff Bridge, Jeff Bezos for instance. I do not bear in mind how a lot is yacht. He has a yard that is value, I don't know 15 million or one thing like that. And I'm like I imply, is that more necessary than sending half of that to some Third World nation to assist them or I do not know.

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Sophia Burrell: maybe if I have that sort of money that I'll assume in a unique way. I'm not sure. But it seems like there's so much waste when that money Could be extra useful somewhere somewhere else on the planet.

Joshua Berglan: I was watching a YouTube video a couple of month in the past and it was about they had been displaying this warehouse that the Saudi prince had That he had each make and model of each single automobile ever made in these cars, just set there. And the rationale I heard that they had that Was as a end result of they should spend that money or they get taxed to demise or one thing like that. Like they want that.

Sophia Burrell: Always.

Joshua Berglan: Those depreciating belongings, that was the rationale I heard and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: it kind of is smart, but on the identical time, there's nonetheless a hundred billion dollars and you have God is aware of what type of credit. you could go rebuild some communities, there's no reason for homelessness.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. Yeah.


Joshua Berglan: In America at all, there's none. But but we have a homeless epidemic rising

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. individuals. Was additionally saying that Jamaica is indeed crime ridden. And what I mean? I misplaced my chain of thought. Okay, so people will say a lot of adverse things concerning the Caribbean Jamaican specific. But there are poverty right here in America. That's worse than the Jamaica, I…

Joshua Berglan: Really. I haven't been to Jamaica so I do not know.

Sophia Burrell: don't you find?

Joshua Berglan: But I lived in Los Angeles. I've lived in Vegas. I've lived all over California in San Diego too.

Sophia Burrell: Yes. Right.

Joshua Berglan: I've spent so much time in San Francisco and I even have a coronary heart for the homeless group.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. Right.

Joshua Berglan: So I've done a lot of work with them over there, even right here that's near me in Minneapolis. and I've seen some things that are like that is in America, it's skid row point,…

Sophia Burrell: There's not.

Joshua Berglan: you have all of those children working round and…

Sophia Burrell: .

Joshua Berglan: it's like, How is this allowed? So I do not know…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: what it is like there to be able to touch upon it, however I do know. It's some pretty sketchy stuff here.

Sophia Burrell: the homelessness in Jamaica Is nowhere near what was taking place in LA. You…

Joshua Berglan: Wow.

Sophia Burrell: and So I grew up in Jamaica.

Sophia Burrell: I have. And So I know that Jamaica is a tropical place. it's heat 12 months round. And so there's so many fruits there to eat. It's like You cannot really go hungry. I go to my grandmother's place and there's a cashew tree at the again, there's apple tree, There's guinea, there's Star Pool. There's banana. All those things are in my grandmother's backyard, so it is like a,…

Joshua Berglan: Wow.

Sophia Burrell: you probably can't go hungry. Maybe there are people there who are going hungry but it was not my experience.

Joshua Berglan: I assume that Jamaica's featured in this book, known as Happiness in the Blue Zones, Do you realize about this…

Sophia Burrell: yeah. No.

Joshua Berglan: It's about the happiest places on the Planet National Geographic, I suppose wrote the e-book it.

Sophia Burrell: And Jamaica's girl.

game theory, gamification, Joshua T Berglan, shock jock, media, new media, business consulting, the worlds mayor, the worlds mayor experience : I assume Jamaica is one of the locations that is listed as happiest on the world.

Sophia Burrell: No. Right.

Joshua Berglan: Costa Rica is one. Switzerland is one other.

Sophia Burrell:

Joshua Berglan: And they speak about there's excessive taxes. Yes. But all of, that is taken care of. and again, I don't remember precisely.

Joshua Berglan: But I do think Jamaica was there. I know for sure. Costa Rica was too. And the one thing that I take into consideration, if you talked about the fruit trees and every thing is that individuals live daily, they stay in the second and they are grateful for what they've within the moment. And that appears to be this underlying across the board with all of these international locations and the blue zones. That everybody was grateful for what they had within the moment that was the widespread theme amongst in any respect.

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Sophia Burrell: Yes. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: And but in America, as a result of we received to buy the subsequent factor. Gotta purchase the most recent factor,…

Sophia Burrell: It's a tradition,…

Joshua Berglan: obtained It's a part of our tradition.

Sophia Burrell: it is the cultural factor I guess. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: You're right. How do you

Joshua Berglan: Because there's a bit of a dopamine repair. When you buy one thing new, or you get one thing new and thrilling, however it goes away actually quick.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: It's sort of like doing a drug like cocaine where you get these few minutes of euphoria and then s***. I received to do another one. And another one.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: And when that has become a culture? and an identity, even How do you reverse that or…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: does it simply have to be broken…

Sophia Burrell: What I mean?

Joshua Berglan: however is not it funny? I do not know.

Sophia Burrell: Even if it's broken, there should be some answer but I don't know. So there's certain things which may be so steeped in the American tradition. it is gonna be hard to fix, So I do not know how to answer that.

Joshua Berglan: yeah, I at all times think of, there is a pastor in America, his identify's TD Jakes, He, …

Sophia Burrell: I love him.

Joshua Berglan: he's identified for saying the blessing is within the breaking.

Sophia Burrell: Yes. sure.

Joshua Berglan: my so every time and that is ultimately when I heard that it kind of made me addicted to

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: Okay, I know this is gonna hurt however I'm doing it. Anyway and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes. He?

Joshua Berglan: not bodily hurt, but emotionally hurt where that is one other example of me needing to die to myself. This is one other a part of killing a half of my ego.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: This is I do not wish to speak about this, but I need to speak about Whatever it's. going by way of that ache,…

Sophia Burrell: But that is a mindset. Mm-hmm.

Joshua Berglan: going through that enormous going to slay, that dragon is painful and brutal because the expertise may be. There's blessings all up in it, it's

Sophia Burrell: Yes, and, I assume, that was a mindset shift, right learning that from him and…

Joshua Berglan: Mmm.

Sophia Burrell: it is shifted me as well. I keep in mind that sermon. I nonetheless listen to him. Constantly, I love TD Jakes. he has a means of wording issues that just makes it really easy To perceive and…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah. I 100 percent agree.

Sophia Burrell: to Lots of takeaways from his sermons.

Joshua Berglan: And what he does I imply As a businessman too, like his information of media.

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: I was inspiring for me, he followed the same format in a blueprint like Oprah going.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: He was unbiased media earlier than impartial media grew to become a thing and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: he covered all the bases music and books and talking in film and production and he was overlaying all of the bases. So he was a huge influence for me, kind of throughout the board, not even simply in ministry,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: however as a businessman as an leisure and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: as a media, he was a massive influence, but I heard him communicate at the Rock church in San Diego. He was selling his book sore.

Sophia Burrell: Okay.

Joshua Berglan: And Soar was one other one of many books where they talk concerning the blessing, being of the breaking.

Sophia Burrell: Yes, yes.

Joshua Berglan: and it modified my life and one of many examples that he gave and I'd like to get your feedback on this, however he was speaking about An airplane that's just lost a wing.

Sophia Burrell: Okay.

Joshua Berglan: It's coming down and pilot. it could do one of two things. my God,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. Yeah,…

Joshua Berglan: I got

Sophia Burrell: panic.

Joshua Berglan: I've received one wing, I'm landing this airplane. I'm getting everybody home safely.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: This is what I got and it was focus on the things. You do have it.

Sophia Burrell: Yes, exactly.

Joshua Berglan: Not what you note.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah yeah,…

Joshua Berglan: That?

Sophia Burrell: love that.

Joshua Berglan: That was the story. whenever you hear What does that mean to you?

Sophia Burrell: I kind of stay my life additionally primarily based on some of the things you say I suppose I'm knowledgeable optimist.

Joshua Berglan:

Sophia Burrell: And folks can be annoyed with me too being this optimistic. It's like nobody desires to be around an optimistic person all the time. If something goes wrong, I'm like, what is that this imagined to mean? what is God's greater plan? Why He has put me by way of this difficulty?

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Joshua Berglan: Yeah.

Sophia Burrell: That's all I suppose, however touching back on t. There's something that TG Jakes stated, he has so many nuggets out there. But This one, he said no one would have known Jesus. If it wasn't for Judas Right.


Joshua Berglan: That's true.

Sophia Burrell: Because Judas betrayed Jesus. That's What created this factor round Jesus, So, it is don't Feel offended when you're betrayed or if folks do not such as you're being criticized. Maybe that's a blessing in disguise. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: There was another saying that was about betrayal and blessings however you possibly can't have the blessing with out betrayal or one thing like that. In one other one which I love,…

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: that did not come from TD Jakes. I first heard it from Ed Mylett and…

Sophia Burrell: Okay. …

Joshua Berglan: that is life occurs for you.

Sophia Burrell: I love the mallet.

Sophia Burrell: Hello guys.

Joshua Berglan: I interviewed him three or…

Joshua Berglan: four years ago and I had the most effective time here.

Sophia Burrell: You need you?

Joshua Berglan: Do I?

Sophia Burrell: He said it met him. did…

Joshua Berglan: Yeah, I interviewed him. yeah,…

Sophia Burrell: Wow.

Joshua Berglan: yeah, it I was once I was living in LA and He was great.

Sophia Burrell: My goodness. No, I'm jealous.

Joshua Berglan: He opened up.

Sophia Burrell: I'm so jealous of that.

Joshua Berglan: He opened up on his relationship with God and I received him to talk in one other way than he normally does an interviews and…

Sophia Burrell: Right. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: it was great however I obtained kicked off of YouTube and so I misplaced that I interviewed someplace, but I misplaced it anyway…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah. yeah.

Joshua Berglan: however he is a tremendous guy but he stated that too in that very same stuck out to my head because each time one thing dangerous occurred. I developed this mindset of going.

Sophia Burrell: Yes.

Joshua Berglan: I know that is happening for me.

Sophia Burrell: For four causes.

Joshua Berglan: I auditioned for the Miami warmth, I can now say it. I to do TV for them and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: audition and I simply found out that I did not get it. somebody else's obtained the gig and my first reaction was Something better is coming from me. I obtained one thing better and…

Sophia Burrell: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: I actually did not even actually need the job as a outcome of I'm a Oklahoma City Thunder fan however it would have been a fantastic opportunity. But my immediate response was Something God's got something higher for me and…

Sophia Burrell: Of course.

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: And I would have never had that mindset if I did not hear 4 years ago, life occurs for you.

Sophia Burrell: Yes, in fact. Yeah. No.

Joshua Berglan: Because I'm not a victim and every thing is figuring out in my favor.

Sophia Burrell: Yes, your favor.

Joshua Berglan: God has confirmed that daily of my life and even once I was not even strolling with God, Looking again at it. When I ought to have in all probability been killed,…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: God should have just taken me out. He was still lining my paths, and with all the hardship, all of the wrestle, all of that. It's all turned out to be a blessing. Every bit of it.

Sophia Burrell: Do you recall this other sermon that he had concerning the storm? so generally No,…

Joshua Berglan: How eagles rise above the storm? and…

Sophia Burrell: no, we're not.

Joshua Berglan: it was, are you speaking about How an eagle makes use of the storm to rise above?

Sophia Burrell: yeah, I know however that one, too, however that's not the one I'm referred to. So,

Joshua Berglan: that is Miles Monroe. They did that one. Okay, good.

Sophia Burrell: so he mentioned, Sometimes, when a the storm doesn't come to hurt you. The storm comes to possibly redirect your path. Yeah, proper.


Joshua Berglan: I like that one, too.

Joshua Berglan: I, Man, what a life. You're so fun to talk to. I'm so glad that you got here on.

Sophia Burrell: yeah, you do.

Joshua Berglan: I need you to, I imply, we could just hold talking for hours, however I would love for you to please plug your small business plug where people can follow you, where folks can get their sport made and…

Sophia Burrell: Yeah.

Joshua Berglan: and just share something that's on your heart.

Sophia Burrell: It's Sophia Burrell. I N T L. Dot com. That's the website. And I even have a course called Gamify Your goals. And I lately modified it to gamify your self. So the course is based on the victory acronym, we spoke of earlier. And you possibly can sign up there at gamify your goals.com.

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Joshua Berglan: Excellent, do you've any final words? Okay. Sophia.

Sophia Burrell: That's it good to fulfill you, Joshua.

Joshua Berglan: You are a blessing. I'm so glad we got to talk and I sit up for attending to know you more All…

Sophia Burrell: Thank you a lot. Have an excellent day. Bye.

Joshua Berglan: Thank you..



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